A recent Chuck Colson Breakpoint Commentary takes on The Shack for an alleged low view of Scripture and for diminishing the glory of God. As Wayne and Brad respond to his premise, and other listener email, they find themselves probing the question, "Who Is This God?" Is he the angry judge waiting for the opportunity to destroy those who won't do things his way, or is he reaching out with love and compassion for those who are lost in sin? How you view God will decisively affect not only how you live with him and but also what you pass on to others of his life and nature.

Paul Young, author of The Shack was in town to join Brad and Wayne at a presentation at Fuller Theological Seminary. So they added Paul to their podcast for a conversation about living in the joy of Father's working. They talk about how important it is that each of us know we matter to God and that what he does in us each day matters, about the joy of relationship that comes out of others-focused lives and the fruit that such collaboration means, about true submission and how we can discover those connections God is bringing to our own lives.

Here is part two of Brad and Wayne's discussion with Dave Coleman, a long-time friend of Wayne's and his co-writer on So You Don't Want to Go To Church Anymore. Here they continue their free-ranging discussion about the failure of religion to subvert the power of sin in our lives and free us to live fully and completely in the life of Jesus. Here they talk about transformational love as they refer to an article that Dave wrote called Why Religion Doesn't Work and talk about the importance of becoming settled in the Father's affection so that we don't have to strive to control people and events around us. They also read a letter from a disillusioned mother and offer their thoughts about parenting.

Dave Coleman, a long-time friend of Wayne's and his co-writer on So You Don't Want to Go To Church Anymore, joins Wayne and Brad for a free-ranging discussion about the failure of religion to subvert the power of sin in our lives and free us to live fully and completely in the life of Jesus. They discuss an article that Dave wrote called Why Religion Doesn't Work, a powerful look at how legalism destroys the power of the gospel by turning our attention away from Jesus and feeding our own need to control others and events around us.

Wayne and Brad return from New York City sharing some of their experiences, before listener response takes them into a discussion about what real friendship looks like, both with God and with others. They talk about the value of encouragement, the disturbing reality of substituting ritual for a relationship, and making celebrities out of brothers and sisters instead of continuing to the celebrate friendship. In the course of their conversationWayne shares from a new book he has been enjoying: The End of Religion: Encountering the Subversive Spirituality of Jesus by Bruxy Cavey.

An experience with Brad and his daughter learning to downhill ski opens up a dialog with Wayne about our passion to see others grow and freeing them for an adventurous journey instead of building their dependence on us or our program. Growing up forces us to overcome our fears and discover that God is able to work in us as we learn to live in him. They also talk about the importance of cheering each other on to that confidence as an important component to fellowship and helping others grow up in him.

It appears the doctrine police are out in full-force these days. On Internet lists, forums, blog comments and email there is a growing number of people who want to draw the lines of sound doctrine and then intimidate those who don't conform to their views. They bully people with name-calling and false accusations, refusing to listen with others point out their distorted conclusions and they do it convinced they're doing God a service. What to do about such people? Brad and Wayne take a look at the havoc such tactics can cause if we are driven by the need to convince others or the need to defend ourselves. Freedom in Christ means we don't have to give in to either.

Listener interaction from their three most recent podcasts, give Wayne and Brad a chance to revisit those topics again and expand on their thoughts as well as add others to the mix. They hear again from the denominational official struggling with his place inside that structure and how important it is to follow God instead of what others think is best. They talk about living by God's work not our own efforts and how freedom from the religious box of 'us versus them' allows people to see the colors of God's glory as he reveals himself in a myriad of situations.

Two awesome letters, one from a man struggling with his identity and income inside one of the denominations and one from a woman on the mission field in Sudan invite Wayne and Brad to consider the realities of staying inside a traditional congregation structure, and the concerns about leaving it. So many people who are starting to see through the frailties of religious obligation, also see purpose in staying on to love others. How do people make that decision staying true to their conscience while being compassionate to others?

A new study of 35,000 Americans by the Pew Forum Resarach Center diagnosis the current fluidity of religious practice today. Over 44% of Americans no longer participate in the same religious expressions as their parents did, and the fastest growing segment are the "unaffiliated" who don't identify with any specific religious group. Brad and Wayne dive into those statistics and the hope that people are tiring of religious ritual and yet still seeking a valid and cohesive faith. In the process they talk about the difficult process of having our religious expectations overrun by reality and having to look again at the New Testament promise and how Jesus invites us to live it out. Also, they announce that the people at Family Room Media have released their fourth and final video in the Church Without Walls series.

A fourteen-year old boy, who identified himself as a gay student was shot in the head last week by another student in a computer lab at school not far from where Brad and Wayne live. Reactions to this event have divided the community over discrimination and sexual orientation issues in the public school. That event and Wayne's recent trip to Kansas provoke a discussion about how we engage sin in the world. Do we as Christians react in our fear instead of with respond with love and truth to the most marginalized people in our society. What this tells us about our view of sin may tell us more than we want to admit.