The God Journey #353

Just because something is wonderful and God-filled does that mean we should expect it to be permanent? This is our 353rd podcast and the completion of our seventh year sharing our conversations with the world. As Wayne and Brad take a look back and celebrate the incredible journey they have had together over those years, they also see that season coming to an end. They talk about the fact that God seems to be leading them down different paths and that has challenged them to put their friendship above compelling the other to go where the other isn't called to go. Brad is now taking on Windblown Media as his journey unfolds and Wayne will be taking The God Journey into some different conversations that are on his heart. While Brad will still be a frequent voice in these conversations, their schedules and differing passions will preclude that from being an every-week event. Not all collaborations are meant to be as permanent as we might hope, and letting go of them as God leads, opens up fresh possibilities for God's working.

Podcast Links:
Great Joy in Kenya
Wayne's resources in Australia at


  1. Somehow knowing there could be a last time some day, I want to thank you guys for all the wonderful conversations you shared with us! These were a real blessing for me and my wife, and we will miss it. But it certainly means a beginning for new things in your lives, and we wish you both all the best!

  2. I haven’t listened to the podcast yet, but based on the brief paragraph above it appears things are changing. I’ve really enjoyed the podcast’s and your different prospective’s. God bless you guys as your path forks for awhile. It is pretty cool though that since Father is the head of all of this, and we look toward him our paths as his followers always meander in the same direction and will ultimately wind up in the same place.

  3. Cool to hear you are both embracing change. I keep hearing “People don’t like change” I don’t think this is entirely true. Change is ALWAYS good when it takes you to a better place and it’s always welcome to those that can see it will result in a better space! Wayne met you in Fairlie. Hope you had a great time in NZ even though it seemed like a taxing trip. Looking forward to what the future will hold for the “not joined at the hip” Wayne and Brad!

  4. I felt this coming for several months. Found myself compelled to pray for both more frequently. Now I know why. I rose early this morning and began to pray. You guys came to mind again and I thanked God for both of you, but especially I thank Him for loving me enough to lead me to your conversations. You have no idea how He used you two to lead me freedom in Him.

    So as one traveller to another…thanks for pointing the way. I can, no…WE, can take it from here.


  5. That’s what I love about you guys, no matter how painful something might be to you, you are always encouraging the other person to do what they feel God has put on their heart, the same way you are always encouraging us. I’m excited to see what Papa has instore for us as we all travel on the same path, toward a greater relationship with him and each other. Peace and love to you both.

  6. What a fantastic conversation ! I’ve always really appreciated the fact that you guys aren’t 2 peas in a pod !! It shows how we can have different opinions and that’s ok. But it’s impossible to have a journey just treading water. It’s normal that things move forward. Life is a progression for us all and of course we have to be careful not to get stuck in our ruts. Just because it’s not Sunday, doesn’t mean it can’t become a ritual.
    Thank you for sharing this all so openly, honestly and maturely with us. Enjoy your freedom ! I don’t think Father puts pressure on us, we put it on ourselves. You are a great example for us all. What a lovely way to resolve your differences ! I can’t wait to see what happens next and I’ve no problem in waiting with anticipation to hear the next podcast, whenever and with whomever that may be.
    I’d be really surprised if things didn’t change – with no changes we can’t grow and we’re probably not listening to Father but just wanting to stay in our comfort zone.
    Blessings to you both on your Journeys and much love

  7. THANK YOU, these podcasts have been a real help to me. I appreciate
    the way you two have understood the seasons and times of our Lord. I can’t remember ever witnessing a change like this handled with such
    grace. I have been a “free believer” for years, and am no longer in the
    “I.C.”-however I have friends who are. I’m at a loss however when they
    “confess” to me about something they did, or didn’t do that made God angry at them, and go on to explain their ensuing “punishment”–breaks
    my heart. Do you have any insight or advise?? Looking forward to see where God takes your Journey from here. Much support and thanks

  8. Wow fellas! 7 years! I guess 7 is the perfect number of completion, right? πŸ™‚ I am privileged to have been able to take part in your journeys over the past 4 years or so! THANK YOU! Thank you both for putting language to what I have been experiencing over the past few years! You helped me realize that perhaps I was on a beautiful, unfolding journey of living loved instead of cruising confusingly down the fast lane to insanity and heresy. I’ve been able to spend a little time with you both, and actually converse about this great adventure, and it’s given me a really cool perspective as I’ve listened to these podcasts. You both have been such an encouragement to the growing masses of the gratefully disillusioned. Thanks for being who God created you to be, and for being willing to share with us, and invest in our lives! I wish you Godspeed in your next chapters! I pray blessing, favor, and protection over you & your families! Keep in touch! Journey on!

  9. I love the line: “Nobody likes change except babies with poopie diapers.” Love it! I’m looking forward to what’s next.

  10. Change is inevitable – except from a vending machine. ~Robert C. Gallagher

    If nothing ever changed, there’d be no butterflies. ~Author Unknown

    We can’t change the wind but we can adjust the sails. ~Adapted

    Did you ever think, that we could be so close, like brothers.
    The future’s in the air, I can feel it everywhere,
    blowing with the wind of change.
    ~Wind of Change (Lyrics)

    Thank you brothers!

  11. Thank you for an incredible ministry! Wayne, your podcast on your relationship transformed my marriage. I repented of trying to change her and accepted her as she is., trusting Father to take care of His own daughter that I am privileged and honored to call my wife. I enjoy Brad’s humor and input, but I understand how you want to expand the podcast, if not in breadth of weekly broadcasts, but in depth with rich content such as the one with your wife. At least I have the RSS subscription so when they come sporadically I will still hear them. Good luck and God speed to Brad with his management of Windblown Media. Is it possible that for Brad’s sake, God brought the two of you together as a means of bringing this to pass? Thanks again.

  12. Let me just say that your podcast has been life-giving, even this final podcast about not all things being permanent. You guys have articulated much of what has always been on my heart when it comes to ministry. I think it’s great that you’re parting ways well. It’s a good model and a sign of mature faith and insight. Blessings to you on your individual journeys and THANK YOU!

  13. Wayne/Brad – first of all – thank you both. I have received a great deposit from you both over the years. Your conversations provided opportunities for me to think and talk to Father. I journeyed from waving an anti-IC flag to a place of rest in Him. As I have listened, I have seen you both valuing relationship over outcomes even when it is painful. I was thinking recently about the difference between work and home. There is a temptation to sometimes think that if I just ran things at home the way we do at work – so much more would get done. And in some respects, it is probably true. But the truly valuable – the discoering and uncovering of hearts would not. Relationships take time; they are messy; and they cannot be forced. You have taught me to hold things loosely – whether doctrine, principles, or structures. You have also taught me that real relationships are invaluable. Thank you for your gift. I look forward to what God has in store for both of you and all of us.

  14. I want to thank you both for your inspiration, and help along the way, you have truly made this Adventure much better. Thank you for helping to kick the door open to a wonderful relationship I may have not found for sometime. I must say, I am not afraid, and I know I’m not alone, that God truly loves me, and He is not afraid of what I may discover, or learn. With Him leading the way how can we lose. Thanks again, and I hope you find a great new chapter to your lives. The Jake book was my first exposer to a Free Believer thought, and my, how things have changed.

  15. I have really valued your conversations Wayne and Brad.
    It has been interesting also to share recent ones with others – they have added new dimensions.

    I just want to affirm the sense of direction you each have as you’ve shared in the note above [I haven’t listened yet either!!]
    Recently while listening to a conversation with others I thought “you should do more of this”!

    I rejoice in your continuing friendship – and plans to include conversations in The God Journey at times.

    Brad – I’ll probably hear much less of you. I’ve really appreciated your sharing, especially coming from a person with children still at home. You have brought a different perspective.
    Blessings – including Windblown Media

    Wayne – been thinking lots about you. Really appreciated your time in Adelaide. Blessings too!

    I have no doubt our Father delights to bless!!

  16. Thank you both for all of the pod casts I have listened to faithfully each Friday for over two years. They have been exactly what I needed to get me through this “separation” time from my local church. There has only been heart break, broken relationships and isolation in the wake of this change. You have given me hope and most often confirmation that I truly am FREE to be who He has made me to be and to travel on this Journey with Him. I am learning to live life loved each and every day.
    May you embrace the all the blessings He has intended for you as you journey on!

  17. I can’t believe that you fired Brad. (Ha! Just kidding) Love you guys – looking forward to great things that will be coming from both of you in the future as you follow Him.

  18. Wow! All things must come to an end. When they’re bad things , it’s a relief, but when they’re good things. like your conversations. it’s difficult. I have enjoyed your conversations since you started. I’ve listened to most, bot not all. I guess I assumed they would always be there. They were always refreshing to me. I’m excited for you and may you be blessed in all you do. I look forward to seeing what will come out this, because I know it will be good.

  19. Hmm. One week get called out about the luciferian symbol in your logo; the next week announce you’re going your separate ways. Coincidence?? I think not. rotflmbo.

  20. To Scott, you are funny, gotta be a comedian. I love it. Keep it up.
    To Wayne and Brad , thanks a million.

  21. I read the notes the day before I listened to the podcast and was kind of bummed. The last two years I have really looked forward to your conversations every Friday on my commute!

    When I listed I must say I immediately felt the peace of God and was so excited for you both! True Freedom! That is what listening to him and following is all about!
    Come back often Brad, my friends and I love you buddy! (Waynes not half bad either πŸ˜‰ , and he needs someone to keep him in line)

  22. I’ve often been amazed how the things discussed in the podcasts have touched on stuff I’ve strugged with; and each week as I began to work through things, your discussions reflected what God was showing me the day or two prior. Even todays podcast! Change is on the horizon for our family too.

    Its refreshing and encouraging to see your example of letting go, letting God lead, letting new things unfold, which will (hopefully) draw you and others into new more spacious places of knowing his love.

  23. Once again The God Journey lives out Bodylife as authentically as I have ever witnessed. Windblown Media too for that matter with all the struggle with the Shack stuff. The attacks on you guys and your message was pretty relentless not just from the doctrine police. No one likes change. We don’t want to be changed we want to change others. Its a problem for us. It will be fun to hear down the road how you guys look back at this event and see Father’s hand expanding His Kingdom. Good form Brad and Wayne. Two guys talking… and walking…and loving their way through life. Your transparency is always appreciated. Thank you for this work and sharing it so freely.

  24. Shall we build a booth, one for Wayne and one for Brad..
    No thanks. Just glad we can all be mortals here and respond freely to the Father’s call. Bless you both for your insights and on your journeys.

  25. As we all listen to Abba’s voice and follow in the places where God leads, it’s difficult but natural to allow God to lead us on separate paths. There’s been a rising tension in your conversation, and I am praying that you continue to be good friends and co-workers in Abba’s vineyard, even if it takes you to different ones. That’s what we are all tasked with doing anyway.

    God bless you both!

  26. Well, this just sucks!

    (somebody had to say that)

    You are right about things just being a repeat of what has already been said but I sure enjoy the sideswipe comments Brad comes up with to bring his part of reality to the conversations. I enjoy it like I enjoy Car Talk (you remember- Click and Clack the Tappet Brothers). Like most sermons I have listened to over the last 50 years, the content is not so complicated that there is something new and amazing every week, It’s just nice to hear the casual way you guys go on about it.

    Welp, at least there the old podcasts to listen to. I came in on “Pastor Crap” and was completely taken in with that one. Subsequently, on the comment section of A Journey For The Hungry, I met a couple of guys with whom we have been exchanging emails consistently for 2 1/2 years. I have gained so much from these “expanded” conversations and we are still friends. There are about 5 of us who regularly exchange, we have gotten together one at a time but not as much as I would like since we all live all over the US.

    Anyway, it will be good to hear Brad’s laughter again when / if he wonders over to your place to join in the conversation some time in the future. I suspect the change will bring fun and more interesting conversations.

  27. Wayne and Brad, I am sure you guys are tuned in to this aspect of the change, but I just want to mention it so others might also take note. God has so powerfully used both of you and and Paul Young in so many people’s lives since The Shack. No doubt, the impact that event had on all of your lives in so many ways is to some degree precipitating these changes. Please rejoice in the fact that Father has and continues to use The Shack, Windblown Media, The God Journey, Transitions, A Man Like No Other and other projects you guys have participated in to “rattle our cage”, answer our questions, and raise new ones that enhance and prosper our relationship with Him. Furthermore, I suspect that God is nudging you both in your respective directions not only to bless you and those you will touch directly as a result of these changes, but also to bless those of us who get the benefit of watching how you respect each other and continue to love each other through the change!

    I am anxiously anticipating what tremendous work God will do as you both enjoy what he is inviting you into now!


  28. I’ve only been a party to the podcast for a short time, but in that time I’ve learned so much about the other ways there are to do Christianity, as Brad puts it in the opening, ‘outside of the box of what we’ve always known’. Often we let activities define our relationships, instead of just enjoying each others’ presence, no strings attached. I’m thankful for relationships that can exist that way. I believe that is what the Father intended for us.

  29. Wayne and Brad,first off I want to thank you for so bravely discussing so many of the things I have always known in my heart about our Fathers’ love, but was afraid to speak out loud. Your conversations have not always taught me NEW things about His love, but have often served to reinforce what Father was showing me! You guys taught me that it was great and perfect to know His love that way and that I could trust that love. You reinforced the things Father had been telling me since my childhood. I had just lost sight of those things because of the performance criteria placed on me by man. Thank you for letting me KNOW that I am not alone in my understanding of His unfailing love. Thank you for encouraging me to REST in his grace. That knowledge and rest has made all the difference in my life and hopefully in reciprocation, the lives of those whom I touch…

    My first reaction upon listening to this podcast was sadness. After all, I have laughed with you and cried with you for several years now. But quickly that changed! How marvelous is it that God in His amazing timing and wisdom has brought you two to this point!

    During the podcast I began seeing this as a sort of “graduation”. To explain, we have a 16 year old who I am preparing to “launch” within the next few years— I began seeing this change much as I am seeing the change that is coming with our son. Yes, I dread the day that our son leaves our home. It makes me tear up now just imagining it. But that is the thing his daddy and I have been preparing him for, basically since the day we considered adding children to our family. Yes, it WILL make me sad to see him leave – but my oh my I can imagine how my heart will leap with joy to see him achieve the things God has in store for him! You see, I have known all along that this relationship was developing toward growing apart. He relied on me for EVERYTHING in infancy and slowly but surely – our son is developing his own life. God has His plans for our Son. Part of those plans included us as his parents, and a very large part of them will not include us directly. For all we have taught him and all we have learned together, it needs to be shared with others and not just among our little family unit. It is somewhat painful but is perfect within God’s plan.

    That is where you two are! It’s a sort of graduation! Not something to apologize for or fear – but to celebrate! God built the two of you up! You learned and shared GREAT THINGS – together!!! But now His plan is for you to “graduate” from this portion of your lives! He has GREATER things in store for you BOTH! I find that simply amazing!

    I could tell that there was pain involved by the words and the tone of your podcast. This can be compared to the parents’ frustration with teens! The pushing away is painful but makes the actual split less traumatic.

    Much like the Father put our four kids in our lives for a season and for specific training and purposes, he put the two of you together! He put you together for a time to learn from each other and to challenge each other and to make each other better than you ever expected! And now, Father’s plan goes to the next step and He is spreading your faith and knowledge to other people in the world in the method He has placed on each of your hearts! I find that AMAZING!

    So, although this may seen like a goodbye or even a failure to some… I see it as an amzazing transition which God has had in the works all along!

    I do hope to keep hearing lots from you guys! I LOVE these conversations!

    Thank you So much!!! Much LOVE and joy on your upcoming endeavors!!!

  30. Hi Guys,

    I was a young man and young Christian when I came to the God Journey. Thank goodness Father led me to you guys whilst I dabbled for 18 months in an institutional church. I’ve listened to some podcasts more than once. However I was beginning to move on with my life an was wondering how this task would come to an end (if ever).

    Thank you for your examples, now I can say “follow Wayne and Brad as they follow Christ”. I’ll miss you guys but the manner in which this ended is invaluable for all mature Christians.
    And I also truly appreciated the differences in opinions, sometimes it was difficult to tolerate when each perspective was thought through but nonetheless, humbled me in unknown ways.

    I am no longer a young Christian, although still a youthful man, and a far greater Son in the kingdom because of you brothers.
    Thank you Wayne, Thank you Brad
    God Bless

  31. Living loved is the best way to live no matter what twists and turns and changes of life are occurring.
    I appreciate so much everything I have gotten from these podcasts over the past years, especially how it has helped my own relationship with my Father. I have no complaints. It’s all been very good and an important part of my own God Journey.
    Am looking forward to seeing the changes here as well as in my life. I don’t always adapt well at first to change, but have certainly learned that when it does come, new and good things come too, and I now welcome change more.
    In the end, a healthy focus isn’t about what others are doing, but first and foremost what each of us are doing individually with our eternally loving and ever present with us Father. Blessings, Wayne and Brad, in whatever you do, and thank you for all you have done!
    The God Journey is such a good name…the focus on God, and that it is a journey (adventure, challenge, hard times, better times, each day something new and an ongoing going on with God). It is a privilege to have had the podcasts as they’ve been in the past, and will be a privilege to enter into the new things Jesus has for each of us. He has his way of bringing things to us in the middle of change that meet our needs at the time. His way. His navigation. His love and life and will working and dwelling in us. Thank you Father, Son and Holy Spiri!

  32. Thank you so much for your podcasts, I too have foundthem incredibly helpful over the last 2 years. Bless you both. I’m and looking forward to any new podcasts in the future.

  33. Thank you so much for your podcasts, I too have foundthem incredibly helpful over the last 2 years. Bless you both. I’m and looking forward to any new podcasts in the future.

  34. Sounds more like you guys are breaking out than breaking up, and that’s good to hear. It’s gotta be hard to keep slinging freedom around when you keep banging your wings against the cage…

    Wayne, I’m glad The God Journey podcast will continue in some form. As well as enjoying them myself, I have appreciated having this resource to recommend to others. I’m looking forward to seeing how the new things that are on your heart will grow the discussion.

    Brad, it’s a relief to hear this is not “goodbye”, just “see you around”. The insights you’ve shared are forever an integral part of this “ongoing conversation”, so it’s great to hear you will be dropping in from time to time. Windblown Media will benefit as well from your perspective and passion.

  35. Love and appreciate you both, and look forward to what’s ahead for all of us here…..
    Chapel Hill, NC

  36. thank you so much for everything. I started listening 6 or 7 years ago and your discussions have been instrumental in my journey. shalom

  37. Brad and Wayne, to slightly vary that famous line in the movie “Jerry Maguire”: You had me at goodbye.

  38. Oh come on guys! As a culmination of all the great discussions you have had showing the futility of trying to organize God’s ways, please try to make this thing work for a few more months to prove your point:)

  39. I apologize ahead of time for the mean things I’ll be thinking the first time there’s not a podcast to download on friday

  40. Wayne and Brad, First thanks to you both for loving all of us through your podcast, all the e-mails you answered, for actually being real when you were struggling and life wasn’t so great. Thanks for loving and respecting each other when you did not see eye to eye on things. Thanks for all the dog and cat stories, the good and bad ones. Thanks for sharing your lives with all of us. When I first found you guys I thought you were crazy and more than a little off, as I was one of those dreaded Pastors from the south. Your love and laughter captured my heart and made me want the relationship with Father you guys had found, and were sharing with all of us. I am no longer a Pastor not because of you guys but because I felt Father asking me to step away. I am learning to live in this growing trust and learning that I am loved beyond measure by my Father and I am free to give that love away to others. I look forward to what comes next for you both as you follow the nudges Father puts on your hearts. Blessings to you both and again Thanks.

  41. Well like most of these above comments change is the guarantee of life! However I must say I was still holding back tears as I listened to this podcast thinking God what will I do every friday night….lol maybe I need to get a life!!!
    I just want to thank you both for helping me think out of the box and encouraging me to ask the right questions! Bless you in all that you do!

    • I think this may be the most healthy thing about this change for all of us: it ensures that we don’t become dependent upon Wayne and Brad for a weekly fix (oddly enough, in the same sort of way that alot of us used to be dependent upon preacher man for a Sunday dose). This will be a great opportunity for all of us to put the basic message of The God Journey into practice: explore the adventure every day of life as an extravagantly loved child of the Father.

      Or just find another podcast, I guess. ; )

  42. I for one am excited about the new direction. I am looking forward to hearing from others who have a different perspective of the journey. The phrases, “ever expanding conversation” and ‘join us in the conversation’ have always bugged me. How can I join you in the conversation? Leaving a note on the blog or forum or an email is NOT the same as being part of a conversation.There are ideas, stories, thoughts that only come about in that face to face or ear to ear flow. It is the same thing that drove me from the traditional structure. I have no voice. Yet, I have interesting things to say, that are every bit as important as the guy with the microphone.

  43. Isaiah 50:4 says, “The Lord God has given Me the tongue of a disciple and of one who is taught, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him who is weary.” Our spiritual journey is continuously changing seasons. Part of my journey has been letting go of brothers and sisters so that they could follow what God is calling them to. Kudos to you guys that you realize that! We come to God openhanded–we don’t know where that takes us all the time. Thanks for sharing part of your journey together with us. Go with God!

  44. This was an encouragement to me. We left the organized church and began meeting with a group of believers in a nearby town a little more than two years ago. Last December two of the four families moved away and the other famiily felt like it was time to quit what we were doing and pursue new things. I also felt that what we’d be doing there had run its course, but had felt a little bad about the fact that it was over, and even somewhat of a failure in what we’d tried to do.There was no doubt that meeting with them was exactly what we needed at the time, but it’s great to be reminded that it’s ok and even normal and healthy to move on from one phase to another. Unfortunately we’ve not found ourselves joined with another group of believers yet, but feel like it will happen in time.

  45. Every once in a while you guys would mention something along the lines of this podcast might not be something we do forever. The first time I heard that I was like β€œgasp, NO!”. Then, a couple weeks ago, about 30 min into the John 3:16/Tim Tebow podcast, my thoughts were saying, I think this is what they were talking about; I don’t see this going on much longer and long behold Podcast #353!

    I have many fond memories listening to the β€œGodpod” most of them walking around my neighborhood smiling like an idiot or floating in the pool in the summer sun, laughing and shaking my head. Like many others I have laughed and cried with you guys, the podcast has been like a faithful friend over the last five years. Thank you.

  46. Wayne & Brad:

    It was just over 5 years ago that I first stumbled across the Jake Book online, and subsequently The God Journey. Had I anticipated the radical changes Father had for us to undergo 2 1/2 years ago, essentially ripped out of our overseas location and deposited back in my hometown, I would have balked and fought to find another way. But your influence on me through your writings, recordings and specifically The God Journey conversations during that first 2 1/2 years was a part of Father opening the eyes of my heart to see how loved I am by Him, and His winning me into a trust in Him and His love for me like I’d never known. When the emotional storm hit, and we felt ourselves battered and adrift, even becalmed in late ’09 and for most of ’10, one anchor for our souls that remained firm was knowing we are loved and trusting in Father’s goodness!

    Your friendship and conversation and the way Father has used it in my life have touched our family, and through us families on three continents (so far) as we live loved and loving in the world. I wanted to share this poem/prayer I found that articulates the need for change and its value in our lives. May it give you insight as it has me!


    A Prayer of Sir Francis Drake

    Disturb us, Lord, when We are too pleased with ourselves,
    When our dreams have come true Because we dreamed too little,
    When we arrived safely Because we sailed too close to the shore.

    Disturb us, Lord, when with the abundance of things we possess
    We have lost our thirst For the waters of life;
    Having fallen in love with life, We have ceased to dream of eternity
    And in our efforts to build a new earth, We have allowed our vision
    Of the new Heaven to dim.

    Disturb us, Lord, to dare more boldly,
    To venture on wilder seas Where storms will show Your mastery;
    Where losing sight of land, We shall find the stars.
    We ask you to push back The horizons of our hopes;
    And to push back the future In strength, courage, hope, and love.
    This we ask in the name of our Captain, Who is Jesus Christ.

  47. Hey guys
    Love it. Excited for Brad, and also for Wayne. I’m sure it’s even harder than you let on for you guys to “move on” to whatever God is leading you both towards, but I just love the example you both are to being open to what God is doing, not what you are doing. And I thought it was pretty neat that there just wasn’t any “fanfare” for Brad’s “departure” … cause the God Journey has never been about you guys, but about him. And he’s not going anywhere. πŸ˜‰ Keep up the great work, whatever that may be πŸ™‚

  48. This is like when sienfeld ended. Except this was a show about everything as opposed to nothing. Will miss the banter between you guys and the laughing. I cracked up today seeing the “stumble upon” button for the first time. In regards to change; I find myself in a sunday morning thing where religion is deep after years of being away from it while you guys and others helped me lay hold of the father. Why go back? I have been wondering that myself and why a series of events have led me to here. I find my heart hurts for the people who are where I was. I’m here to live loved and love others. Salt and light yaknow. This morning I remembered the verse about becoming all things to all men that I might win some… Er something like that. Never would’ve thought that meant what I think it might mean for me today. Go hang out with pharisees? Sure why not, so long as I hear and follow the voice of the father the gates of hell won’t overcome me. And if I stumble, well I guess that means I’m still a human. Thanks guys for all your conversations, people everywhere are dying for the same thing, I’m going to see if there’s any of them @ the box today. All my love and best wishes!

  49. My first communication with Wayne was about five or six years ago. We were reeling from our having lost all of our friends when we left our church of 9 years. I don’t know how I found out about Wayne, but I had never listened to a podcast at that point. I emailed Wayne and recieved email back and was very encouraged. I have noticed the tension between you two for some time and could see that something was going to have to happen. The more Wayne said “Yep” the more I realized that this journey was going to take a different path. Not surprised at all. So glad that you are acting like reasonable men of God instead of territorial, defensive ministers. We here in Iowa and Illinois truly love you guys and thank you for being open to doing the podcasts in the first place. I have benefitted greatly from your honest transparency. Wayne, I have a special spot for you in my heart, and will continue to connect to The God Journey as well as Lifestream. Brad- bless you brother and may you enjoy every moment with your children. They are blessed to call you Dad.

  50. I really think that you are not being honest with one another. Your message #353 wasn’t misunderstood by all of us listeners. It’s okay to be travelling different roads with God just as husbands and wives differ but respect one another enough to accept the differences. Agree to disagree!!! Stop pretending that wasn’t what you were trying to say. The chocolate chip cookies from Sara were a mere peace offering to smooth out your differences. The ensuing introduction to your podcast sounds very pompous Wayne. Stop the pretense and get back your spontaneity.
    Get real in other words. I pray that you noth find some direction.

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