Kevin Smith, a long-time friend of Wayne's and a dear brother on this journey, joins Wayne and Brad to share some of the lessons he has learned on his journey beyond organized religion. A former Baptist minister, Kevin was part of a congregation that were led together to find God's reality outside of the system of religious obligation. You'll see in Kevin's life that trusting Jesus is not a passive fatalism, but an active way to live every day. Our friendship with him grows, as does our trust, as we take the risk of stepping out to do whatever what we think he asks of us. Kevin and his wife Val are on a round-the-world trip that included 5 days in Southern Cal. You can email him here.