"A power structure that is accountable only to itself will always end up abusing the powerless." So says James Carroll in an article in the June 2019 Atlantic Monthly entitled, "Abolish the Priesthood." As a former priest and Catholic reformer, Carroll concludes the only way to save the Catholic church is to abaondon the priesthood and give it over to be run by the people themselves. His words sound a note that ripples far beyond the Catholic Church and give Brad and Wayne plenty to reflect on and discuss as they talk about how the clerical system is a holdover from the Roman Empire, not the teachings of Jesus or the example of the early believers. A new expression of the church is taking shape out of those who "loved him at the first and didn't let go of their affection."