Twisting Scripture to False Certainty (#701)

The quest for certainty about God's reality more often leads to error than it does to wisdom and truth. Those who feign certainty are also mostly arrogant, off-putting, and wrong. Wayne and guest, Kyle Rice discuss how our attempts to grasp at certainty often disfigure God and make the life of Christ unappealing to young people today. They also talk about how those they've met who are more mature in Christ are also more humble, holding their views more lightly because they realize God is so much bigger than any of us can comprehend. How do we engage younger generations with the joy of walking with God and embracing the treasure of his wisdom?

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  1. I really enjoyed your podcast! I often ask myself the same question about how to reach the younger generation, “with the joy of walking with God and embracing the treasure of his wisdom.” When my children have children , I wonder how my grandchildren will learn about the love of God in today’s society. Your podcasts with Julie give me encouragement in this! Another tool that is helping me have hope for future generations, as well as getting me excited about God is The Bible Project. (see I believe this free resource is a great tool for reaching people of all ages with the age old question of what the Bible is , what it means, and why it should be important to me. They are an animation studio in Portland Oregon whose main theme states,”the Bible is one unified story that leads to Jesus.” They also have engaging blogs and insightful podcasts. Perhaps this can be another effective tool in helping engage today’s generation. It certainly is helping me and my family grow in the knowledge and love of God!

    • I have no idea what you heard that led you to this conclusion, Kristine, but rest assured we think freedom from sin is a gift, not a sacrifice. It may be that we were talking from the perspective of an unrepentent sinner that sees it as a sacrifice, but we don’t.

      • Now thats a great discussion, even though I remember Wayne having said something similar like your first sentence some time ago.

        • “We’re all punished by our sin, not for our sin.”

          But … sometimes we may need a little “hint” when we go wrong, loveless ways in life, about which we think it would be right, even before God. Then it would be love from God to do it.

          This is my only resolution to Hebrews 12.

          But I don’t think God does it for things we know they are wrong – then He is much more at it to help us finding more satisfaction in a life of love, I think.

          What do you guys think about it?

          • “But I don’t think God does it for things we know they are wrong – then He is much more at it to help us finding more satisfaction in a life of love, I think.”

            As usual incomplete, I’ve got to get used to it … that was maybe not totally correct, analytically maybe, but being a shortcut, I think now the “finding more satisfaction in a life of love” is the outcome of finding true acceptance and love by Jesus in the very awareness of our mistakes, faulty, unworthy, selfish … I think this is the washing of the feet, without it no one can even enter into the kingdom of the love of Jesus.

            Oh man, its humbling to be accepted and loved knowing being really unworthy of it. Right there we may used the cross in a wrong way, making us clean (worthy) of His love, to feel good before God. But that could be wrong and illusional too, thinking we would understand all the false ways of our souls and having it all confessed. But I think the cross is so that God can reach to us into our filthy world and be with us and accept us and love us, sin does not seperate us anymore from Jesus (Matthew 28:20), and in this we may get changed and find somewhen good desires for a life in love growing within our hearts, not that we must produce it by ourselfes or focus our life on it when we do not truly desire it.

  2. Just a question Kristine What is your source for your comment “We’re all punished by our sin, not for our sin”?
    Or is it an opinion that you’ve arrived at by experience, lifestyle, etc. ? If the latter, could you expand on how your experiences led you to feel ” like (it was) a sacrifice to stop?”

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